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We present a podcast exploring the divided history of Tallahassee and Leon County, Fla.

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Darkness cannot drive out darkness, only light can do that.

In 1960, Martin Luther King, Jr. said “that eleven o’clock on a Sunday morning is one of the most segregated hours, if not the most segregated hour” in America.

Where We Came From

H is comments took place in a televised interview about what could force integration among churches, schools, and businesses. Yet, fifty-six years after the landmark Civil Rights Act, our communities remain largely separate and are growing increasingly unequal again.

Our Project's Focus

WFSU’s first long-form podcast, Not So Black and White: A community’s divided history, will investigate Tallahassee’s history around representation and inclusion. This topic was chosen based on observations and conversations with people in academia, social services, and education who have observed that Tallahassee, the capital city of Florida, carries vestiges of segregation that impact the conversations and policy decisions around growth, development, education, and health.

Where We Are Headed

In Tallahassee/Leon County, there remain substantial divisions in where we live, work, play, educate and worship. The social justice movements of the 2010s and 2020s are sparking new conversations around whether we ever truly integrated.

Through current digital technologies, oral stories, archival photos, video, and interviews with local community members and humanities experts, we will attempt to explore the question of how we got here, the choices we make on whom to associate with and where to live, and how we as a community fulfill the promises of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.’s dream.

Available Episodes

Episode 1: Neighbors watching over Tallahassee’s Southside are working to erase the dividing line

(Sept. 22, 2022) The railroad tracks have traditionally been the dividing line between the haves and the have-nots. However, numerous efforts are underway to reinvent Tallahassee’s Southside.

Episode 2 (in 2 parts): Choiced-out in Florida: how decisions on education affect communities

(Oct. 4, 2022 & Oct 6, 2022) A story exploring why Tallahassee, Fla. is home to one of the most segregated school districts in the state.

Episode 3: For some Black people in the South, land is more than wealth. It's community and culture

(Oct. 13, 2022) The positive role gardens play in Black communities, then and now.

Episode 4: Who is guarding Black culture? Seeking keepers in Tallahassee

(Oct. 20, 2022) Recently, Florida has been at the forefront of a growing push to downplay or gloss over the history and stories of Black Americans. Now, Black historians, academics and activists are fighting back in an effort to protect and preserve their stories.

Episode 5: Coming to terms with the Black Church’s changing role

(Nov. 3, 2022) African American churches have long been social, political, and educational centers for many Black communities. But that role is evolving amid what some historians and sociologists are calling the “Third Reconstruction.”

Episode 6 (mini): Stereotypes: Not so Black or not white enough

(Apr. 5, 2023) Examining stereotypes. What happens when you’re too Black or brown for some spaces, and not Black or brown enough for others?

Episode 7: FAMU rides a wave of HBCU revivals

(Dec. 12, 2023) At Florida A&M University, the country's top-rated public historically Black university, the moment is a double-edged sword.

Podcast Previews

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the dedicated storytellers at WFSU Public Media

Audio Producers
  • Lynn Hatter - Lead
  • Gina Jordan
  • Regan McCarthy
  • Valerie Crowder
  • Rob Diaz de Villegas
  • Tom Flanigan
  • Margie Menzel
  • Patricia Moynihan - Lead/Website
  • Rheannah Wynter - Promo/Graphic Producer
  • Lydell Rawls - Social Media
  • Daniel Williams - Web Assistant
  • Chris Womack - Logo Design
  • Erich Martin - Photography
Video Producer
  • Suzanne Smith - Lead
For WFSU Public Media
  • Kim Kelling
    Director of Content & Community Partnerships

This project has been funded by a grant from

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Funding for this program was provided through a grant from Florida Humanities with funds from the National Endowment for the Humanities. Any views, findings, conclusions or recommendations expressed in this podcast do not necessarily represent those of Florida Humanities or the National Endowment for the Humanities.

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